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== merge ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I suggest merging [[single-level cell]] into [[multi-level cell]].&lt;br /&gt;
Currently *both* articles talk about *both* MLC and SLC.&lt;br /&gt;
Rather than describe the differences between them in 2 places, I think it makes more sense to describe the differences between them in one place.&lt;br /&gt;
--[[Special:Contributions/68.0.124.33|68.0.124.33]] ([[User talk:68.0.124.33|talk]]) 02:38, 22 October 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
:agreed --[[User:Ddeml|Ddeml]] ([[User talk:Ddeml|talk]]) 13:21, 25 November 2008 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
Wholeheartedly agreed. Having separate entries for SLC and MLC is like having separate entries for head and tail of a coin.  &amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;font-size: smaller;&amp;quot; class=&amp;quot;autosigned&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/85.179.32.131|85.179.32.131]] ([[User talk:85.179.32.131|talk]]) 00:10, 28 November 2008 (UTC)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:UnsignedIP --&amp;gt; &amp;lt;!--Autosigned by SineBot--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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==MLC NOR==&lt;br /&gt;
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This article only mentions MLC NAND, but MLC NOR is also available. --[[Special:Contributions/192.54.193.53|192.54.193.53]] ([[User talk:192.54.193.53|talk]]) 13:43, 19 February 2009 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== CRC algorithm ==&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;quot;requires an algorithm that can correct errors up to five bits&amp;quot;.. five bits per what? Byte?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[Special:Contributions/79.160.3.241|79.160.3.241]] ([[User talk:79.160.3.241|talk]]) 11:02, 20 March 2013 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Neutrality ==&lt;br /&gt;
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Anybody else feel like the meat of this article feels like a Samsung advertisement? Particularly the line &amp;quot;Samsung has pioneered high-performance&amp;quot;.  &amp;lt;small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span class=&amp;quot;autosigned&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;amp;nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[User:Antiduh|Antiduh]] ([[User talk:Antiduh|talk]] • [[Special:Contributions/Antiduh|contribs]]) 17:50, 22 March 2014 (UTC)&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt;&amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned --&amp;gt; &amp;lt;!--Autosigned by SineBot--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== MLC wears out quicker than single level cell ==&lt;br /&gt;
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lots of places talk about how MLC has more [[flash memory#Memory wear]] and so will stop working after several times fewer read-erase cycles. The numbers thrown around seem different everywhere though. [[Special:Contributions/76.119.30.87|76.119.30.87]] ([[User talk:76.119.30.87|talk]]) 01:37, 26 November 2014 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Intel 8087 ==&lt;br /&gt;
What are the relations of an Intel x87 FPU-Coprocessor with Multi cell flash? And why should it use 2 bits per cell??? It&amp;#039;s just an extended processing unit, when Intel run out of space on their x86 dies, so they added a second chip to do the complicated floating point math. Nothing to do with flash memory.&lt;br /&gt;
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:The two-bits-per-cell technology was used for the 8087&amp;#039;s microcode ROM. I clarified the sentence.  &amp;lt;!-- Template:Unsigned IP --&amp;gt;&amp;lt;small class=&amp;quot;autosigned&amp;quot;&amp;gt;—&amp;amp;nbsp;Preceding [[Wikipedia:Signatures|unsigned]] comment added by [[Special:Contributions/2003:C8:B71B:900:F9E5:A909:C868:14CB|2003:C8:B71B:900:F9E5:A909:C868:14CB]] ([[User talk:2003:C8:B71B:900:F9E5:A909:C868:14CB#top|talk]]) 21:28, 23 January 2023 (UTC)&amp;lt;/small&amp;gt; &amp;lt;!--Autosigned by SineBot--&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
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== Explanation please ==&lt;br /&gt;
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I don&amp;#039;t understand why TLC is called TLC.&lt;br /&gt;
*SLC stores 1 bit so it has 1 level:&lt;br /&gt;
    Below that level means 0 and above means 1.&lt;br /&gt;
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*2 Bit MLC stores 2 bit so it has 3 levels: &lt;br /&gt;
    Below level 1 means 00&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 1 and below level 2 means 01&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 2 and below level 3 means 10&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 3 means 11&lt;br /&gt;
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*TLC stores 3 bit so it has 7 levels: &lt;br /&gt;
    Below level 1 means 000&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 1 and below level 2 means 001&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 2 and below level 3 means 010&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 3 and below level 4 means 011&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 4 and below level 5 means 100&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 5 and below level 6 means 101&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 6 and below level 7 means 110&lt;br /&gt;
    above level 7 means 111&lt;br /&gt;
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Notice that you have listed four states (which gives you two bits) and eight states (which gives you three bits in the examples above.  This is a common problem for non-computer people because 0 can be used for counting.  A mathematician would probably say it has to do with ordinal versus cardinal numbers. For TLC you say there are seven &lt;br /&gt;
&amp;#039;levels&amp;#039; which might be more appropriate to call thresholds. If you draw a line an split it into 8 equal parts you will see there are seven dividing lines.  Those lines would correspond, very roughly, to the charge level on the cell.[[User:Ee79|Ee79]] ([[User talk:Ee79|talk]]) 20:47, 5 November 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;Shouldn&amp;#039;t it be called 7 level cell?&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;  [[User:ForeverAlone174|ForeverAlone174]] ([[User talk:ForeverAlone174|talk]]) 09:32, 20 November 2015 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
: I don&amp;#039;t get that naming choice either.&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:If it means &amp;quot;bit&amp;quot;, why was it not just named &amp;quot;bit&amp;quot; ?&amp;lt;br&amp;gt;&lt;br /&gt;
:What if a cell can discriminate 2 thresholds = 3 values = 1.5 bits ? [[User:Musaran|Musaran]] ([[User talk:Musaran|talk]]) 11:28, 31 January 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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::Names don&amp;#039;t have to follow logic perfectly and they are often Marketing influenced. Besides, it has a benefit this way in that you will run out of single digit integers fast and have to make larger acronyms [[User:Fs|&amp;lt;b&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#336666;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;f&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#339999;&amp;quot;&amp;gt;s&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;&amp;lt;/b&amp;gt;]] 09:19, 30 November 2018 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== QLC ==&lt;br /&gt;
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No one talking about QLC cells? Quad-Level Cells?&lt;br /&gt;
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[[User:Quatermass|Quatermass]] ([[User talk:Quatermass|talk]]) 21:12, 1 November 2016 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== There&amp;#039;s no such thing as a Multi-Level Cell ==&lt;br /&gt;
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This article is about something that doesn&amp;#039;t exist, i.e. a memory cell (described here as a single FG MOSFET) which is &amp;#039;capable of storing more than a single bit of information&amp;#039;. A single FG MOSFET can only store a single charge of electrons, and thus a single bit of information. It&amp;#039;s how this charge is interpreted that provides the multi-level capability, and that interpretation is done by other components within NAND flash. You can have SLC, MLC and TLC NAND flash, but not a MLC or TLC FG MOFSET cell.&lt;br /&gt;
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The article veers between cell, NAND flash, memory and other descriptors, but the title is cell. Most, if not all, of it should be in the NAND flash article. [[User:Kletzmer|Kletzmer]] ([[User talk:Kletzmer|talk]]) 19:07, 7 November 2020 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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== Merge StrataFlash into this page ==&lt;br /&gt;
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[[StrataFlash]] appears to be an old Intel brand name for MLC NOR flash. As such, the content could be merged into this article, perhaps even reduced to a couple sentences, as they appear to be no longer using the name. [[User:Irene Twoth|Irene Twoth]] ([[User talk:Irene Twoth|talk]]) 23:15, 6 February 2026 (UTC)&lt;br /&gt;
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:{{u|Irene Twoth}}, this has gone unopposed and you should be good to merge them if this is something you&amp;#039;re still interested in. &amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039;[[User:Thebiguglyalien|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#0c4709&amp;quot;&amp;gt;Thebiguglyalien&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]&amp;#039;&amp;#039;&amp;#039; ([[User talk:Thebiguglyalien|&amp;lt;span style=&amp;quot;color:#472c09&amp;quot;&amp;gt;talk&amp;lt;/span&amp;gt;]]) 00:48, 17 March 2026 (UTC)&lt;/div&gt;</summary>
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