Talk:Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 25 November 2023

Template:Edit extended-protected On 24, November, In the West Bank city of Tulkarm,two alleged IDF collaborators were executed.

Reference:

https://www.i24news.tv/en/news/middle-east/palestinian-territories/1700897674-amid-celebrations-for-freed-prisoners-palestinians-publicly-execute-collaborators Sam6897 (talk) 10:56, 25 November 2023 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Deltaspace⁴² (talk • contribs) 15:08, 16 December 2023 (UTC)

Biased language

One of the groups depicted as fighting is "Armed settler colonialists". This is biased language that wouldn't generally be used on Wikipedia. I suggest changing it to armed Israeli settlers which is the norm when referring to them. 176.230.36.89 (talk) 21:13, 25 December 2023 (UTC)

Npov

thr article uses mostly al jazira reports but it's perceptive ( and its objectivity or even accuricy ) at this subject is known. So, we have to use different sources and mention who reported. For example, it is little strange ( or not, really ) why events like this are not mentioned

https://m.maariv.co.il/news/military/Article-1067419 https://www.kolhair.co.il/jerusalem-news/217510/ 2.55.167.54 (talk) 22:21, 14 January 2024 (UTC)

What do they translate to? You can post an edit request The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 09:48, 15 January 2024 (UTC)

map not loading - technical issue?

maybe just my machine, but I will mention it: File:2023 Israel–Hamas war - West Bank.svg is supposed to load on this page. It doesn't quite seem to be deleted, but it doesn't load embedded like normal. you can click through though & view it. anyone know what's up with that? skakEL 16:45, 3 April 2024 (UTC)

working fine now. sorry for the minor false alarm. skakEL 22:31, 4 April 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 27 April 2024

Template:Edit extended-protected in the casualty part, its stating 482 killed as if they were fighters yet in the source itself it estimate 100 children were killed this is done by the JIDF to make it seem like the IDF is some super army that killed 500 palestinian fighters when in fact it killed civilians exclusively i ask for the citation to be written infront so that normies can actually understand whats actually going on Waterlover3 (talk) 16:22, 27 April 2024 (UTC)

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 10:37, 4 May 2024 (UTC)

Is the PA an Israeli ally?

@The Great Mule of Eupatoria: regarding this revert: the Al-Jazeera source indeed says: "However, following July’s raid on Jenin, the body announced it would cease security cooperation with Israel."

Can you provide sources that the PA is taking part in the combat operations? VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 01:05, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

PA regularly foils paramilitary operations, for example disabling IED’s and have been accused on being informants relaying information to Israeli authorities

They have also participated directly cracking down on paramilitaries, for example in this publication a tulkarm battalion member has been killed during a shootout with PA security forces

https://palinfo.com/news/2024/04/02/883691/ The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 12:07, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

@The Great Mule of Eupatoria: But are they on the same side as Israel or is this a three-way conflict? Or perhaps the Palestinians are having an internal conflict that is not directly related to "Israeli incursions", which is what this article is about.VR _{(Please ping on reply)} 23:06, 10 May 2024 (UTC)

They seem to be on the same side. I have not been able to find a single notable instance of Palestinian security forces under Abbas conducting any attacks against Israeli forces invading Area A cities and in fact they seem to be “allowing” them too

meanwhile the PA is cracking down on militant factions and cells throughout the West Bank so they definitely are an active belligerent instead of a “sit and watch” party

https://www.aljazeera.net/amp/news/2024/3/31/بيانات-تحذير-من-كتائب-للمقاومة-بعد The Great Mule of Eupatoria (talk) 03:37, 11 May 2024 (UTC)

I just added the PA as a belligerent based on information I have gathered. Evaporation123 (talk) 06:50, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 2 July 2024

Template:Edit extended-protected Add flags of EQB and PIJ, It would simply look better

 Not done: it's not clear what changes you want to be made. Please mention the specific changes in a "change X to Y" format and provide a reliable source if appropriate. Charliehdb (talk) 13:17, 2 July 2024 (UTC)

Requested move 28 August 2024

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The result of the move request was: not moved to the proposed title at this time, per the discussion below. Dekimasuよ! 08:14, 4 September 2024 (UTC)

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Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war → West Bank theatre of the Israel–Hamas war – The war-related fighting in the West Bank isn't just limited to the IDF doing incursions, but also involves Palestinian attacks on settlers and involvement of the PA security forces. Furthermore, the proposed new title is also more concise. Evaporation123 (talk) 07:04, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose See Multiple Palestinians killed as Israel launches major operation in occupied West Bank and Israeli settlements surge amidst Gaza war "Israel’s current war against Hamas in Gaza, which began after the October 7 attacks, has increasingly spilled over into the West Bank with Israeli military raids, settler attacks and clashes killing hundreds of Palestinians." It's not a theatre of the war, it is an acceleration of the pre war situation. Palestinian attacks on settlers Seriously? That's just an inversion of reality.

Selfstudier (talk) 08:26, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Strong oppose The West Bank is described as spillover of the Israel-Gaza war by RS; it is not a theater of it. Makeandtoss (talk) 11:49, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

The infobox of the Israel-Hamas war article itself describes the West Bank as a "regional theatre of operation". Not denying that it isn't a spillover- it just seems that the two terms can be used interchangeably. Perhaps Spillover of the Israel-Hamas war in the West Bank or West Bank spillover of the Israel-Hamas war might be better alternatives? Evaporation123 (talk) 18:56, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

the spillover part is an adjective not a name; the events are referred to in RS as Israeli incursions in West Bank; so current title is fine. Makeandtoss (talk) 21:37, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

Strongly Oppose The new title would imply all events in the article are directly apart of or caused solely by the "Israel-Hamas war", limiting the scope of the article and possibly causing confusion. Numerous events in the West Bank covered by this article are continuations of pre existing norms and, while connected to the war in Gaza, not strictly apart of it.~~~~ Mason7512 (talk) 20:05, 28 August 2024 (UTC)

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Requested move 18 November 2024

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The result of the move request was: MOVED to Israeli incursions in the West Bank (2023–present). A bit of a WP:BARTENDER due to the many options presented, but as no participant favors the current title a move of some kind is appropriate. I see a consensus against using the term "war", but significant opposition to the proposed "West Bank conflict" as well. There was some consensus for expanding the scope of the article to include some earlier years; such a change should be made to the article content and then addressed in a new RM specifically about the date range. I have gone with a minor change that shortens the rather lengthy current title for now, no prejudice against opening a new RM at any time. (closed by non-admin page mover) Toadspike [Talk] 12:16, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war → West Bank conflict (2023–present) – Or War in the West Bank (2023–present). The Israel–Hamas war is limited to Gaza and Hamas. There is an independent article for Israel–Hezbollah conflict (2023–present) and for Red Sea crisis. These are related to the Israel–Hamas war, but rather than being against Hamas, are against Hezbollah and the Houthis, respectively. The conflict in the West Bank is similar to the state of affairs against Hezbollah before September: conflict, but not outright war, triggered by but not encompassed within the war in Gaza. In addition, the current title is extremely long, clunky, and an unlikely search term. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 16:09, 18 November 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 18:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC) — Relisting. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• A review of sources suggests that there is no common name with variants such as Israel’s War on Palestinians in the Occupied West Bank, Israel’s war on the West Bank, As the world focuses on Gaza, the West Bank has reached boiling point. Here’s what to know, Fears of an extension of Gaza war looms over the West Bank, ‘It’s Like a Horror Movie:’ West Bank Palestinians Fear War Will Come for Them Next, Israel: Is a West Bank war imminent? and Gaza, Lebanon, West Bank: Why Is Israel Fighting So Many Wars?. Since many sources either refer to the conflict as a war or to the possibility of one, I would support something like Israeli war on the West Bank (or perhaps just West Bank war, a la Gaza War). Selfstudier (talk) 17:54, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Support West Bank conflict. It is correct - there is a conflict in the West Bank. I Don't believe we would find a better name, that is more accurate and less NPOV. "War" isn't appropriate here. Every war is a conflict though. Bolter21 (talk to me) 19:52, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Oppose It's important to note that this article is specifically about an escalation in fighting in the West Bank during the Israel-Hamas war, fighting that was already happening before 7 October 2023. It basically belongs to the "spillover" category of articles like the Israel-Hezbollah conflict (2023-present) and the Red Sea crisis, all which are united in the Middle Eastern crisis (2023-present) article.

Now any "West Bank conflict" article would have to not use the Israel-Hamas war as a framework but cover fighting at least since 2021-2022. I have seen various sources that say there was a decline in West Bank violence following the Second Intifada until an escalation in 2021-2022; The current fighting since 7 October would be an escalation of that escalation, if that makes any sense. Evaporation123 (talk) 20:22, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• Oppose: I don't think either suggested title properly represent the scope of this article, implying an undue level of symmetry. This article overwhelmingly covers Israeli raids, assaults, & arrests, alongside settler violence in the territory, with most casualties being civilians.

The use of conflict would sound almost Euphemistic to me & war overstates the situation. I'd prefer a title like Israeli incursions in the West Bank (2023–present) or if that's too long, perhaps Israel in the West Bank (2023–present). - Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 20:36, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

• • The Israel–Hamas war isn't symmetric by any means, but it isn't called Israeli military operations in Gaza (2023–present), is it? 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 20:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

    @Chicdat Firstly WP:OTHERSTUFFEXISTS, but also the reason this article specifically doesn't use "military operations" in its title is that it also covers incidents that aren't official military or government actions.

    Israel–Hamas war has persisted as that article's name based tenuously on WP:COMMONNAME, not on the symmetry of belligerents or casualties. This article's subject however, outside of WP:HEADLINES at least, has not been given a common name & no war has been legally declared.

    As there isn't a common name, we can use a descriptive one instead, of which I think my proposals above more accurately reflect this article's current scope. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 22:55, 18 November 2024 (UTC)

Relisting comment: More opinions? —CX Zoom[he/him] ^{(let's talk • {C•X})} 18:28, 3 December 2024 (UTC)

• Support change to Israeli incursions in the West Bank (2023–present). This is not too long or cumbersome, and I feel like it is intuitive as to what it is referring to. Any clashes in 2023 prior to October 7 can also be covered in the background section</MarkiPoli> <talk /><cont /> 11:32, 8 December 2024 (UTC)

Note: WikiProject Israel, WikiProject Military history, and WikiProject Palestine have been notified of this discussion. Feeglgeef (talk) 00:46, 12 December 2024 (UTC)

• Move but not sure where to. The title of this article and the articles in its See also section reflects a bias favouring the Palestinian side... for example it links to Israeli settler violence on violence against the Palestinians but to no article that explicitly focusses on violence against Israelis, which also exists. This is a controversial area and likely to remain one with overall NPOV difficult to achieve and impossible to agree upon, but we can do a little better in this case and should do so. Andrewa (talk) 03:35, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

  How does the current title reflect "a bias favouring the Palestinian side"?

  Also, this article lists Israeli settler violence in the see also section because there's a section called Settler violence and depopulation of villages, so it's directly relevant. Butterscotch Beluga (talk) 04:00, 19 December 2024 (UTC)

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Concerning the scope of this article

While the title was recently moved to Israeli incursions in the West Bank (2023–present) from Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war the scope of this article remains the same, only covering events from 7 October 2023. And that being said, the recent fighting in the West Bank has roots as far back as 2021/2022, related to the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis and related political factors at that time. Now that I think about it, even using the year 2023 as a starting line doesn't even make sense for this article.

I propose that there be two articles: one about the fighting in the West Bank since the start of the Israel–Hamas war, and a second titled maybe West Bank conflict or something along those lines covering what is clearly sustained fighting in that region since 2021/2022. Thoughts? Evaporation123 (talk) 01:18, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

The Israeli–Palestinian conflict, has always covered both Gaza and the West Bank together and then the individual Gaza conflicts tended to be covered separately because their scope was always much larger than events in the West Bank which tended to revolve more around settlement activity.

Having said that, it is true that there was a sea change in Israeli activity that started around March 2022 (so called Break(ing) the Wave) concurrent with a series of attacks in Israel and (coincidentally?) a few months before the Independent International Commission of Inquiry on the Occupied Palestinian Territory released its report on the events of the 2021 Israel–Palestine crisis, itself triggered by events at Sheikh Jarrah and al Aqsa.

So yes, although it might appear that the pick up in West Bank troubles date from the start of the IH war, and there is evidence of that, it can also be seen as having commenced prior.

The thing is to see if sourcing can be found that also makes that connection, maybe try searching "Unity Intifada". Selfstudier (talk) 11:28, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

On the page Palestinian Authority–West Bank militias conflict#2021–2022_rise_in_militancy you can find sources concerning several related factors in 2021/2022 credit for the proliferation of the new wave of militancy in the West Bank in general. And this gave way to the ongoing regular clashes with Israel, not just the current issues with the Palestinian Authority as stated in that article.

In fact there are sources on that page that state that in the late 2000s and 2010s there was comparably less Israeli–Palestinian violence in the West Bank.

• https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2024/08/28/west-bank-palestinians-militants-israel-raid/
  • "During the second intifada, militants carried out waves of attacks against civilian targets in Israel. The Israel Defense Forces responded with large-scale offensives against armed groups and the violence subsided for most of the next two decades."
• https://acleddata.com/2023/12/14/the-resurgence-of-armed-groups-in-the-west-bank-and-their-connections-to-gaza/
  • "... Gaza-based militants led by Hamas fought several rounds of war with Israel. Despite these tensions, militant activity largely spared the PA-administered West Bank in the following years..."

Evaporation123 (talk) 21:04, 7 January 2025 (UTC)

Looking at it some more, this article could also limit its scope to the time frame for 2024 Israeli military operation in the West Bank, which is 28 August 2024 to date, which activities have come in for legal criticism, also reported here. A title change might well be appropriate there. Selfstudier (talk) 14:13, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I think if that were done, the articles would just largely be duplicates of each other. Rather perhaps, the opposite should be done and the time scope of this article can be expanded back to 2021/22, with a section on the escalation during the ongoing war. Evaporation123 (talk) 22:49, 12 January 2025 (UTC)

I still don't see how that can be done without some sourcing that connects the whole time frame together, I'll leave it to you. Selfstudier (talk) 10:46, 13 January 2025 (UTC)

Requested move 25 January 2025

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The result of the move request was: moved. Noting Chicdat's oppose, but it seems to be opposition to the rationale, not necessarily to the proposed title. theleekycauldron (talk • she/her) 18:55, 2 February 2025 (UTC)

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Israeli incursions in the West Bank (2023–present) → Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war – It's time for this article to be changed back to its old name. Currently, the article (which still begins with "During the Israel–Hamas war...") does not have a single mention of fighting that took place before 7 October 2023. Yes, the content of this article can be changed to include events from before 7 October, but no one has done this, and frankly I myself don't feel like doing so– the article is just too extensive. There's really no problem with reverting to the old page name, as long as the subject material is treated as fighting that just happens to have occurred since the start of the war (and not some sort of spillover or theatre of the war). The old page title isn't even that long or cumbersome, really. Edit: Due to the page title change at Gaza war, my proposed new title for this article is Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war (previously "Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Israel–Hamas war"). Evaporation123 (talk) 08:22, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

• Oppose: First of all, this request makes no sense. These Israeli incursions began on 7 October, that is a fact; including information from before that time would be outside the scope of the article. 2014 Gaza War is not required to say every single thing that happened in Gaza in 2014 – in fact, it shouldn't. The article covers Israeli incursions in the West Bank from 7 October 2023 to today – you are saying that just because it includes the year 2023, it should include information from 1 January to 7 October 2023 as well? That is not how WP:PARENDIS works. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 15:44, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

  Israel incursions in 2023 did not begin on 7 October (ex: January 2023 Jenin incursion, July 2023 Jenin incursion). In this case, given the specific nature of the conflict, yes, the article should include fighting from January to October 2023 if the page title remains the same... which hasn't been happening at all. Evaporation123 (talk) 19:53, 25 January 2025 (UTC)

  Not really. The current conflict is higher-intensity than those isolated raids, which are well-covered by the main I–P article. 🐔 Chicdat  ^{Bawk to me!} 11:53, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

  Those were just two examples, but overall it is not as if everything was mostly quiet and then the pace of raids (and settler violence and militant attacks) suddenly exploded after 7 October. Even the article itself says "According to the UN, 2022 was the deadliest year for Palestinians on record, and the year to September 2023 already represented the deadliest year in history for children in the West Bank".

  Some other sources for this:

  • "Israeli troops, meanwhile, were raiding Palestinian towns in the occupied West Bank [pre–Oct 7], hunting militants, and it was already on course to be the deadliest year for Palestinians in decades." (https://www.npr.org/2024/10/06/nx-s1-5137112/remembering-life-in-gaza-before-oct-7)
  • This entire article here: (https://www.securityincontext.com/posts/israeli-actions-in-the-lead-up-to-october-7th)
  • "Settler violence has spiked since Netanyahu’s latest coalition government... took office in December 2022. Even before the Hamas-led attack on 7 October, Israeli settlers had killed at least ten Palestinians in 2023, while engaging in harassment, vandalism and assault on hundreds of occasions, including several mass rampages. According to the UN, the first half of 2023 witnessed 591 settler attacks, an average of 95 per month or about three per day. This number marked a 39 per cent increase over a similar period in 2022 and the sixth consecutive annual increase. The Israeli security establishment’s own data for the first half of 2023 showed a sharp rise in “Jewish terror attacks” in the West Bank. (https://www.crisisgroup.org/middle-east-north-africa/east-mediterranean-mena-israelpalestine/246-stemming-israeli-settler-violence)

  Evaporation123 (talk) 20:45, 26 January 2025 (UTC)

• Strong oppose. The title should either be WP:CONSISTENT with parent article see Talk:Gaza war#Related pages, templates, and categories to include Gaza war or remain put, depending on the scope that is. CNC (talk) 20:22, 28 January 2025 (UTC)

  Somehow, I had not noticed the page title change for the war. How does the new proposal ("during the Gaza war" instead of "during the Israel–Hamas war")sound to you?

  I'm also now considering simply just inserting summaries of incursions, settler attacks, etc from January to 7 October 2023, with the current title being kept. Evaporation123 (talk) 01:02, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

  Given the change to a consistent target, it makes me remove from strong oppose. CNC (talk) 09:44, 29 January 2025 (UTC)

• Support per nomination. Achmad Rachmani (talk) 07:22, 29 January 2025 (UTC)
• Support per nom 𐩣𐩫𐩧𐩨 Abo Yemen (𓃵) 11:54, 31 January 2025 (UTC)

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Edit request 23 October 2025

Description of suggested change:

There is a spelling mistake on this page. It's not "accourding to accounts", but "according to accounts". This is in the section titled "December Raids".

I've not read the whole article yet, but spelling mistakes stand out like a sore thumb to me and the article is locked so I can't fix it myself.

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accourding to accounts

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according to accounts

31.10.146.111 (talk) 19:40, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

 Done Yerlo (talk) 21:09, 23 October 2025 (UTC)

Merge proposal

Merge Israeli incursions in Tulkarm into Israeli incursions in the West Bank during the Gaza war. The smaller Tulkarm-focused target page is WP:REDUNDANT, as the fuller target page covers the same material. The brief sections covering events prior to the October 7 attacks are a list of incidents already covered in Timeline of the Israeli–Palestinian conflict in 2023, where they should be merged due to their WP:PROSELINE nature. There's no reason for yet another article covering the same content that lends itself to fragmented and incomplete coverage. No need to cover the same duplicative content from multiple redundant angles. Longhornsg (talk) 01:23, 28 October 2025 (UTC)

Support per nom Evaporation123 (talk) 03:14, 29 November 2025 (UTC)

Oppose a seperate timeline only for the West Bank makes sense due to its size and since it is removed from the Gaza strip User:Easternsahara_{review this} 17:03, 7 December 2025 (UTC)

The content, including operations in the West Bank, is already covered at the target page so neither article length or being outside the Gaza Strip is an issue. Longhornsg (talk) 02:45, 10 December 2025 (UTC)

Support (including support for a WP:BLAR if there's nothing that needs to be moved). No need for a separate article with this much overlap. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 🛸 19:51, 5 January 2026 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 21 January 2026

Template:Edit extended-protected Please add 2025 and 2026 timelines to "see also". Thank you. Existing entity (talk) 14:23, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

 Done Day Creature (talk) 17:17, 21 January 2026 (UTC)