Talk:2025 India–Pakistan conflict

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India has said that there was no US involvement in the ceasefire

India continues to maintain the position now that India and Pakistan ceasefire was agreed directly between both countries, without intervention from the US. Globetrotter30 (talk) 14:50, 17 January 2026 (UTC)

Swiss report should be put in analysts section

According to Swiss Think Tank Center for Military History and Perspective Studies Indian Air Force had succeeded in achieving air superiority and force Pakistan for a ceasefire after striking several pakistani air bases. It conduces that visual documented evidence says that Pakistan lost 4 aircrafts and India lost 3 aircrafts. It also says that In contrast to the Indians, the Pakistanis couldn’t support their claims with satellite imagery or open-source material.

https://chpm.ch/wp-content/uploads/Operation-SIndoor-15-January-2026.pdf Samsam111 (talk) 04:05, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

Where does it say Pakistan lost 4 aircraft and India only 3?Slatersteven (talk) 12:20, 5 February 2026 (UTC)

Page no 39 It is shown in a table. Figure 8 Claims and confirmed losses. It says both India and pakistan claims and neutral claims as visually documented loss in the table Samsam111 (talk) 04:14, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

It cites "Air Chief Marshal Amar Preet Singh, conference at the LM Katre Memorial, 9 August 2025" as the source for your claim "force Pakistan for a ceasefire after striking several pakistani air bases". It cannot be used here.

You should read WP:CT/SA and avoid editing any Indian military topics until you have gained WP:ECP. Orientls (talk) 08:02, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

Figure 8 also says visually documented, it does not claim these are the only losses (or even that they are actually losses), only that there is visual confirmation (of damage, not loss). In fact, it only claims (as most) that 2 Pakistani may have been destroyed, whereas 3 indian aircraft were. Slatersteven (talk) 11:17, 7 February 2026 (UTC)

The report came from a neutral source and can be put here. It came from a reputable military analysys agency. Also different reports says different things. It says visually documented evidence provide proof of 2 to 4 Pak aircraft destroyed. This includes satellite images. It clearly says India achieved air superiority after destroying several pak air bases and air hangars and in return pakistan couldn't do any damage against Indian air bases and India gave clear evidence of this using satellite images whereas pakistan didn't give any clear source as proof for their claims. Samsam111 (talk) 11:57, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

So where does it say Pakistan lost 4 aircraft? Slatersteven (talk) 16:56, 9 February 2026 (UTC)

The report mention this in the table on page 39. Its says visually documented evidence suggest it. Samsam111 (talk) 04:49, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

I have already pointed out that damaged and destroyed are not the same thing. So am now going to bow out with a firm NO.Slatersteven (talk) 11:36, 12 February 2026 (UTC)

The report says lots of other things other than number of aircraft. It clearly says India achieved air superiority against pakistan after destroying several air bases and provided satellite image as proof. While pakistani strikes conducted between 7 and 10 May 2025 had been largely thwarted by Indian defences. It says 4 aircraft's are damaged or destroyed. This can be mentioned. Samsam111 (talk) 03:34, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

All of which we already cover. Slatersteven (talk) 10:45, 16 February 2026 (UTC)

At this rate, I just wish both sides would actually tell what losses they faced. It's getting hard to find sources withouth jingoism, and those that can be found are being thrashed like this. I just wish India will tell we lost a mirage, a su30 and a rafale, and Pakistan confirm thiere aewacs, mirage5s and base damage. 4-RΔ𝚉🌑R-01𝕏 (talk) 14:56, 17 February 2026 (UTC)

This report is new one and whatever said seems not covered. Also this analysts section was ok for almost several months. Then a one sided US report which support pakistani narrative came and it was put here in analysts section without a second thought although the report is wrong and one sided . Thats itself is one sided act and not a balanced approach. Now a Swiss report came and because it is not siding with pakistani narrative its getting rejected. Why to add the US report which came very late and why to reject this Swiss report. Is this a wiki page or pakistani propaganda page. this wont last in wiki for long. Tesremt (talk) 04:18, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

In my opnion the article is balanced enough i do have some quibble about certain wording and sources but I think it's alright for now as time passes more sources will come to light then we can revist this. Also please don't take an agrressive approch to whatever is it you're pushing there is a system in place learn about it. DataCrusade1999 (talk) 14:11, 17 March 2026 (UTC)

Merge proposal

I propose merging 2025 Pakistani airspace closure into 2025 India-Pakistan conflict, as the airspace closure happened as a result of and during this conflict, and it seems more appropriate to cover the topic in the conflict article rather than as a separate page. ApexParagon (talk) 03:54, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

Seems reasonable. Slatersteven (talk) 13:04, 21 February 2026 (UTC)

Article is short, seems reasonable to merge as a subsection 4-RΔ𝚉🌑R-01𝕏 (talk) 08:42, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Additional Suggestion To Create new sub-section Aftermath with key sub-sub sections as Casulitiies, Impact Legal staus, and anylysis. 4-RΔ𝚉🌑R-01𝕏 (talk) 08:44, 26 February 2026 (UTC)

Support this is an aspect of the main subject and doesn't need its own article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 02:02, 12 March 2026 (UTC)

Oppose: The closure is still in effect after nearly a year, and in particular several news channels are reporting its effects. Sutyarashi (talk) 10:25, 13 March 2026 (UTC)

Donald Trump's statement wrongly written

In the air skirmish battle, it is written that "Donald Trump claimed 5 jets shot down", but it is being presented in a way that all 5 were Indian; whereas he has never mentioned the country and has upped his numbers from 5 to 11. Please make this sound neutral because right now this is very much pro-Pak leaning. Adityakkhullar (talk) 05:17, 27 February 2026 (UTC)

Donald Trump never mentioned its Indian aircraft. Also he told very much different figures every time. Trump said between 4 to 11 aircrafts and never mentioned its Indian aircrafts. This should be updated as Donald Trump said 4 to 11 aircrafts but he didn't mention which nation it belonged to. Tesremt (talk) 02:34, 4 March 2026 (UTC)