Editing Eurovision Wiki:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard (section)

== Need input on whether or not an excerpt is [[WP:UNDUE]] ==

There is an ongoing discussion at [[Talk:Sangh Parivar#Violation of WP:LABEL in the Lead]] (The discussion was initiated by a sock but later broadened after the original issue was resolved), about whether [[Sangh Parivar#Fascism|a section]] should be included in the article on the [[Sangh Parivar]], over the classification of the organization as fascist by scholars and academics. In the course of this dispute, an editor added an excerpt from the [[Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh]] (RSS), the paramilitary which originally founded the Sangh Parivar, where an argument is made by a scholar against the classification of the RSS as fascist. However, neither the excerpt nor its sources mention the Sangh Parivar, which is why I consider the addition [[WP:UNDUE]] and a [[WP:COATRACK]]. The editor has since said they will not participate further in the discussion, so I have come here seeking a resolution. — [[User:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: darkviolet">'''EarthDude'''</span>]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: black">'''Talk'''</span>]]) 19:44, 15 February 2026 (UTC)

:For editors, I am pasting the disputed excerpt here, as the discussion at the talk page of the Sangh Parivar might be too long to get through:<br />{{Talkquote|Jaffrelot argues that although the RSS, with its paramilitary style of functioning and its emphasis on discipline, has sometimes been seen as "an Indian version of [[fascism]]",<ref name="One">{{citation |last=Jaffrelot |first=Christophe |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot |title=The Hindu Nationalist Movement and Indian Politics |publisher=C. Hurst & Co. Publishers |year=1996 |isbn=978-1850653011 |p=51}}</ref> the "RSS's ideology treats society as an organism with a secular spirit, which is implanted not so much in the race as in a socio-cultural system and which will be regenerated over the course of time by patient work at the grassroots".<ref>{{citation |last=Jaffrelot |first=Christophe |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot |title=The Hindu Nationalist Movement and Indian Politics |publisher=C. Hurst & Co. Publishers |year=1996 |isbn=978-1850653011 |p=63}}</ref> He argues that Golwalkar's ideology shared, with [[Nazism]], an emphasis on ethnic [[homogeneity]]<ref>{{citation |last=Jaffrelot |first=Christophe |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot |title=The Hindu Nationalist Movement and Indian Politics |publisher=C. Hurst & Co. Publishers |year=1996 |isbn=978-1850653011 |p=61}}</ref> but that the "ideology of the RSS did not develop a theory of the state and the race, a crucial element in European nationalisms: Nazism and Fascism"<ref name="One" /> and that, according to Jaffrelot, RSS leaders were interested in Hindu cultural homogeneity as opposed to racial sameness.<ref>{{citation |last=Jaffrelot |first=Christophe |author-link=Christophe Jaffrelot |title=The Hindu Nationalist Movement and Indian Politics |publisher=C. Hurst & Co. Publishers |year=1996 |isbn=978-1850653011 |pp=56–58}}</ref>}} — [[User:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: darkviolet">'''EarthDude'''</span>]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: black">'''Talk'''</span>]]) 12:54, 18 February 2026 (UTC)
::{{re|EarthDude}} You brought this here knowing that there wasn't any consensus for the removal at the article's Talk page. I see that this was also taken to [[WP:ORN]] where similarly no one was convinced either. To then go ahead and make this unilateral edit with the edit summary reading [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Sangh_Parivar&diff=prev&oldid=1341071015] "Per talk, this has no support". An editor does not unilateraly decide this, if anything the insertion of the section itself has had more vocal and direct opposition at the Talk page. Want to seek a [[WP:3O]] go ahead but repeatedly vying to enforce a unilateral removal by edit warring over this is not going to happen. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 19:50, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::What are you even talking about? I have simply asked for third party opinions on the dispute so that it can be resolved. I had originally brought it to ORN due to a PNG misunderstanding which was later corrected, but I had a fairly civil discussion with the only other editor engaged in the noticeboard discussion, and the editor suggested I take it here and wished me luck in finding a resolution. "{{xt|You brought this here knowing that there wasn't any consensus}}", "{{xt|I see that this was also taken to WP:ORN where similarly no one was convinced either}}", "{{xt|repeatedly vying to enforce a unilateral removal}}"; do you not know about [[WP:AGF]], [[WP:CIVIL]], or [[WP:FOC]], or are you willfully ignorant of them? Of course, I will come for third party opinions when a dispute resolution has not been reached between two editors. How is that a negative? My inclusion of the section has not had "more vocal and direct opposition" than your inclusion of the excerpt, because the only other editor who engaged in the discussion, aside from the sock, simply suggested for me to resolve the dispute on the talk page (which I tried to follow) and also against your excerpt because it did not speak of the Sangh Parivar. I get that I may have been hasty in the revert, but I only did it because you explicitly stated you won't engage further in the discussion and because I got no input here. — [[User:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: darkviolet">'''EarthDude'''</span>]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: black">'''Talk'''</span>]]) 20:53, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::None of the policies you cite impinge on what was said. The rest of your comment simply means there is no consensus for your edits. 
::::I see the [[WP:POINT]]y insertion of NPOV hatnotes but will not be dithering over that for now. [[User:Gotitbro|Gotitbro]] ([[User talk:Gotitbro|talk]]) 21:10, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
:::::So simply adding a maintenance tag is disruptive now? — [[User:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: darkviolet">'''EarthDude'''</span>]] ([[User talk:EarthDude|<span style="font-family: Courier; color: black">'''Talk'''</span>]]) 21:26, 1 March 2026 (UTC)
::::::Just left a note on the talk page. May I suggest opening an RFC? Although I’m fairly new here, it seems to be one of the most common and effective ways to help resolve content disputes. If you’d like, I can open one. [[User:Coffeeurbanite|Coffeeurbanite]] ([[User talk:Coffeeurbanite|talk]]) 21:23, 14 March 2026 (UTC)

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