Editing Eurovision Wiki:Neutral point of view/Noticeboard (section)

== Ice hockey at the 2026 Winter Olympics ==

I added a [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ice_hockey_at_the_2026_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_tournament&diff=prev&oldid=1340180951 section] to the [[Ice hockey at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Men's tournament]] article to note the incident of [[Kash Patel]] [http://nbcnews.com/news/us-news/kash-patel-fbi-celebrates-mens-hockey-team-winter-olympics-milan-video-rcna260215 celebrating with Team USA and its criticisms]. I thought it was an appropriate placement since the page for [[Ice hockey at the 1998 Winter Olympics - Men's tournament]] has a [[Ice hockey at the 1998 Winter Olympics - Men's_tournament#Controversy|similar section]]. @[[User:~2026-12204-73|~2026-12204-73]] [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Ice_hockey_at_the_2026_Winter_Olympics_%E2%80%93_Men%27s_tournament&diff=next&oldid=1340180951 removed my addition] on the reasoning that it doesn't belong there. Would like to get input on whether that reasoning is justified, thanks. [[User:Spectrallights|Spectrallights]] ([[User talk:Spectrallights|talk]]) 09:56, 24 February 2026 (UTC)

:''In general'', controversy sections suck and should be avoided, they tend to become shit magnets. [[WP:CRITS]], that essay is an essay. The thing isn't obviously [[WP:PROPORTION]]ate in that article IMO, and ''technically'' it's after the tournament. Note also that when you're citing [[WP:YAHOONEWS]], it's very often syndicated, and you should cite the original, if it's [[WP:RS]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 11:25, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::Concur with GGS. I'm not a fan of Patel, or any Trump regime member, but a controversy section using a potentially syndicated news source is not a strong inclusion. [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 13:10, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::For clarity, Yahoo doesn't hide when they republish stuff, they mark it reasonably clearly. In this case [https://sports.yahoo.com/articles/rot-hell-team-usa-hockey-170000819.html] it was [[WP:DAILYDOT]]. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 14:34, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:While I agree with GGS's point about the issues with controversy section, I do think that at this point it would follow by [[WP:PROPORTION]] to at least include some coverage of the news. At this point it's been covered by [[WP:NBC]], [[WP:AP]], and [[WP:WAPO]] and has shown to be a notable news event directly related to the tournament. I also think the technicality of this happening after the tournament is extremely weak, the events in the news cycle happened in the immediate aftermath of the gold medal game and are inseparable to its outcome. I could see an argument for placing this on the [[United States men's national ice hockey team|USA team page]] directly instead to keep the tournament page itself cleaner, but I think regardless this belongs on Wikipedia. [[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] ([[User talk:Yojo98|talk]]) 15:08, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::This is a [[WP:NOTNEWS]] issue to a certain extent. American news covering an American reaction to an American political figure involving himself with an American team isn't necessarily encyclopedically relevant for the international tournament page. It might be more appropriate at [[Kash Patel]]. [[User:Simonm223|Simonm223]] ([[User talk:Simonm223|talk]]) 15:23, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::It does mention hockey already. A sentence or so could be added on that. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 15:28, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::I would certainly think it merits being added to the Kash Patel article as you mentioned.
:::For the hockey pages, I do understand your point about [[WP:NOTNEWS]], but the incident has attrached coverage internationally as well, see coverage from the [https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c0e59n12rlwo BBC] and [https://www.abc.net.au/news/2026-02-24/trump-us-mens-hockey-team-under-fire-mocking-womens-team/106380212 Australia's ABC]. We're now two full days from the actual even that's been covered, and I do think given the wide variety of coverage from reputable sources that it would be giving undue weight to omit from Wikipedia. I would maintain at this point that it should also belong on the page for this tournament, and I'm not exactly sure which of the four principals of [[WP:NOTNEWS]] its inclusion would be violating. To point #2, even with a paragraph-sized inclusion of the news discussed here, 80-90% of the page would still be concerning the tournament itself and would not give undue weight. [[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] ([[User talk:Yojo98|talk]]) 15:38, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::And I would also add that my account is not ECP certified, so I can't make the edits to Patel's page directly. Anyone else is welcome to use the sources above to add to his page. [[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] ([[User talk:Yojo98|talk]]) 15:40, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::I think that domestic American political controversies should be kept off the international tournament pages. That content can be added to the Kash Patel article as stated above. [[User:Pizzigs|Pizzigs]] ([[User talk:Pizzigs|talk]]) 17:05, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::I'm curious if there is any MOS or project related guidelines on this sort of subject. The news here has garnered the same if not more attention than the tribute and inclusion of the Gaudreau family, which right now has [[Ice hockey at the 2026 Winter Olympics – Men's tournament#Legacy|its own section on the page]] and only pertains to one team. I understand that is directly hockey related, but the line to drawn between two events that happened at the tournament (Patel in the locker room and the Gaudreau honoring) seems to only be that one is politically related. Sports and politics often overlap, is it current policy for tournament pages not to include directly connected political stories? [[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] ([[User talk:Yojo98|talk]]) 18:37, 24 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::I think [[WP:NOTNEWS]], [[WP:PROPORTION]] and [[WP:VNOT]] are as close as you'll get. They all have plenty of room for disagreement, and the "answer" isn't obvious. [[WP:OTHERCONTENT]] is rarely helpful. [[User:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|Gråbergs Gråa Sång]] ([[User talk:Gråbergs Gråa Sång|talk]]) 07:13, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::GGS, I really appreciate your detailed replies and guidance here. I think part of my issue here stems with the [[WP:EDITCON]] process here. There has been thoughtful, measured discussion on this thread, and then two simple reversals with little justification by the users who have undid the inclusion of this topic (@[[User:~2026-12204-73|~2026-12204-73]], and @[[User:Barcas91|Barcas91]]), other than the initial "this does not belong here."
::::::::I understand [[WP:VNOT]], but at this point given the wealth of verifiable coverage, the lack of any details of this story on the tournament page, USA men's team page, or Kash Patel page leads me to the conclusion that we are violating [[WP:PROPORTION]] by ''not'' including this information. [[User:Spectrallights|Spectrallights]] made a similar point on [[User talk:Yojo98#Ice hockey at the 2026 Winter Olympics|my user talk page]].
::::::::I have edited the page with verifiable coverage of the story that is similar in length to the Johnny Gaudreau inclusion (which I 100% believe should be in the page, but has received far less verifiable coverage, especially internationally and outside of hockey media). [[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] ([[User talk:Yojo98|talk]]) 18:17, 25 February 2026 (UTC)
:::::::::@[[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] funnily enough, a user (is it the same user who first reverted me?) is attempting [https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=United_States_men%27s_national_ice_hockey_team&diff=1340436927&oldid=1340431334 something similar] at [[Talk:United States men's national ice hockey team#2026 Winter Olympics "Scandal"]]. No, the incident was not something scandalous like doping. It is open to one's opinion whether the players' behavior and subsequent attendance of Trump's State of the Union address was wrong. But information about the incident and its aftermath should be included and contextualized. The content could be reworded for [[WP:NPOV]], but complete omission reflects bias. Perhaps this discussion can be brought to [[WP:SPORTS]]? [[User:Spectrallights|Spectrallights]] ([[User talk:Spectrallights|talk]]) 08:19, 26 February 2026 (UTC)
::::::::::The [[WP:SPORTS]] page looks to be mostly dead, given the lack of replies to almost all new threads in the last few months. I'm going to summarize this discussion on the talk page for the article and welcome in the editors who have reverted its inclusion to explain there. If that fails to reach consensus, I will submit this issue to the [[WP:DRN]] notice board given where we are in the steps of achieving [[Wikipedia:Consensus#By soliciting outside opinions|consensus]]. [[User:Yojo98|Yojo98]] ([[User talk:Yojo98|talk]]) 14:18, 26 February 2026 (UTC)