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The usual plot summary and list of appearances, with zero academic analysis or even reception. My BEFORE failed to find anything useful (the best I got is this [[Screenrant]] article, and it's mostly rehash of plot summary: [https://screenrant.com/dceu-hawkman-carter-hall-backstory-challenge/]). [[WP:ATD-R]] points to a [[List of DC Comics characters]]. <sub style="border:1px solid #228B22;padding:1px;">[[User:Piotrus|Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus]]&#124;[[User talk:Piotrus|<span style="color:#7CFC00;background:#006400;"> reply here</span>]]</sub> 02:08, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
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:'''Redirect''' to [[Hawkman]], where this identity is described in depth. The alias of Hawkman is likely notable, but I doubt Hall is individually notable of the wider identity.  Magneton Considerer: '''[[User:Pokelego999|Pokelego999]]''' ([[User Talk:Pokelego999|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Pokelego999|Contribs]]) 03:43, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' Portrayed by [[Aldis Hodge]] in ''[[Black Adam (film)|Black Adam]]'' (2022), generating independent film coverage and analysis. 85-year publication history (1940). [https://screenrant.com/dceu-hawkman-carter-hall-backstory-challenge/ Screen Rant] and other outlets covered the character's film adaptation in depth. Article needs reception/analysis added per [[WP:FIXTHEPROBLEM]], not deletion. [[User:Sparks19923|Sparks19923]] ([[User talk:Sparks19923|talk]]) 09:39, 4 March 2026 (UTC)
*:@[[User:Sparks19923|Sparks19923]] Valnet sources cannot be used to show notability per [[Wikipedia:VALNET]]. Just because a character appeared in a film does not mean they are instantly notable, and a smattering of situational sources or ROUTINE coverage would not dispel that notion. Magneton Considerer: '''[[User:Pokelego999|Pokelego999]]''' ([[User Talk:Pokelego999|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Pokelego999|Contribs]]) 01:23, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

::Fair point on [[WP:VALNET]]; I withdraw the Screen Rant cite and I'm not relying on Valnet for notability.
::The question is whether the character meets [[WP:GNG]] / [[WP:NFC]] via significant, independent reliable coverage beyond routine cast/plot mentions. There is at least some such coverage: ''[[The Hollywood Reporter]]'' ran a substantial feature discussing the character's publication history and significance, not just the film appearance (Graeme McMillan, [https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-news/the-many-lives-of-black-adam-hero-hawkman-4067285/ "The Many Lives of 'Black Adam' Hero Hawkman"]).
::I've also located an EBSCO Research Starters background/reference entry ([https://www.ebsco.com/research-starters/literature-and-writing/hawkman-character Hawkman (character)]), which may be useful for basic context but I agree it should not be treated as strong evidence of independent notability on its own.
::I'll add these (and continue looking for additional non-Valnet independent coverage) and expand Reception/Analysis accordingly. If, after that pass, the sourcing is still mostly routine/trivial, I'd support a redirect/merge to [[Hawkman]] per the suggestion above. [[User:Sparks19923|Sparks19923]] ([[User talk:Sparks19923|talk]]) 01:33, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
:::@[[User:Sparks19923|Sparks19923]] Both of these are about the Hawkman identity, largely, and discuss Hall as part of that identity. Most of this is just discussing the evolution of the role overtime, rather than putting significant discussion of Hall separately from Hawkman ([[Wikipedia:SIGCOV]]). This seems very much a [[Wikipedia:NOPAGE]] situation. Why split Hall out when he's only notable as being one of the identities of Hawkman, and is only discussed within the context of Hawkman's wider history? 
:::Hawkman is definitely notable, but is Hall independently notable of Hawkman? My wager is probably not.  Magneton Considerer: '''[[User:Pokelego999|Pokelego999]]''' ([[User Talk:Pokelego999|Talk]]) ([[Special:Contributions/Pokelego999|Contribs]]) 04:23, 5 March 2026 (UTC)
* '''Keep''' per the claims that were made by {{ping|Sparks19923}} or '''merge''' with [[Hawkman]] in the spirit of [[WP:PRESERVE]]. Is the person who nominated this page going to go after [[Hawkman (Katar Hol)|Katar Hol]] for AFD as well? --[[User:Rtkat3|Rtkat3]] ([[User talk:Rtkat3|talk]]) 02:49, 5 March 2026 (UTC)

* '''Redirect'''/'''Merge''' with [[Hawkman]] page. Since I had last edited the Hawkman page, I felt pretty confident you could merge both versions of the character into the page and treat it as a immortal warrior reincarnating multiple times. Unlike the Kendra version, which her story includes distancing and being more independent form her past lives, Hawkman in general has consistencies and addressing descrepancies is not out of the question.
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*'''Merge and redirect''' - in fact the content of this appears to be partially merged already. It doesn't make sense to write a separate article for one of two forms of a character based on a few marginal sources. [[User:NotBartEhrman|NotBartEhrman]] ([[User talk:NotBartEhrman|talk]]) 13:16, 17 March 2026 (UTC)
*'''Redirect''' to [[Hawkman]] - Already sufficiently covered at the article on the main topic.  The actual sourced publication information and such is already covered there, and the remainder of this article is simply overly detailed plot summaries and "lists of appearances" that are either unsourced or sourced only to primary sources. 21:07, 17 March 2026 (UTC)