Talk:50–50 club (baseball)

Merge proposal

This is a very bare-bones page – with only 1 entry (and very low likelihood of growing anytime soon), this can easily be covered with a few extra sentences at 40–40 club, as Ohtani's achievement is already included there. (In all honesty, that page could also probably be merged to 30–30 club, but to keep the discussion focused, I am not proposing that for now.) RunningTiger123 (talk) 03:45, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

• Opose: This a very notable event, qualified for an article by Wikipedia:Notability (events). The formation of the club received large media attention.[1],[2],[3]. There are many more citations if needed. Dafootballguy (talk) 00:28, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
• Oppose, 30-30, 40-40, ...50-50 all exist. How would 50-50 merge with 40-40 (averaging out to 45-45?)? Randy Kryn (talk) 16:33, 28 February 2026 (UTC)

  Any members of the 50–50 club must by definition be in the 40–40 club. Therefore, the sole member of the former club is already included at the latter page, and I feel it would be preferable to add a few sentences there instead of keeping/repeating info on a separate page (per WP:PAGEDECIDE). RunningTiger123 (talk) 05:29, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

  The achievement is so rare that it deserves this stand-alone article. Randy Kryn (talk) 10:44, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

• I agree that given that there is only one player in this category that it can be covered adequately as a separate section within the 40–40 club article, with an appropriate redirect. This will make it easier for readers to see the others who have come closest to this achievement, thus placing it into context. Note not every topic that meets the standards for having an article must have an article; we can use editorial judgement to decide that the topic is best covered within the context of another article. isaacl (talk) 16:57, 28 February 2026 (UTC)
• Support merge. Isaacl already said most of what I was thinking, but I'll add that all of the coverage being about Ohtani instead of the concept of a 50–50 club also casts doubt on whether this needs a standalone article. Thebiguglyalien (talk) 19:07, 1 March 2026 (UTC)

  Regardless of the article currently covering Ohtani solely the 50-50 club is important enough to warrant it's own article. This is certainly qualified under WP:Notability (events). Dafootballguy (talk) 21:45, 2 March 2026 (UTC)

  This isn't an event, though. Shohei Ohtani's 50–50 season is an event; this is a concept, and ultimately a WP:Stand alone list. Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 11:28, 7 March 2026 (UTC)

• Oppose per Dafootballguy above ESB5415 19:20, 3 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support, this is a de facto list article, and a list, by definition, needs more then just one entry -- indeed, WP:FLs require a minimum of four. (Any potential future expansion is purely speculative, and therefore not relevant.) At that point, the governing P&G for this is WP:TOOSPECIFIC, under which this falls, for me.
  Merging this into 40–40 club is a far more appropriate method of delivering this, in my opinion – highlight the accomplishment there, with a specific paragraph explaining it. That article certainly hasn't grown beyond any kind of limit to justify spinning it out under WP:CFORK. Once we have more entries (be that in one, five, twenty seasons' time) then sure, revisit this as standalone.
  But this is what we've done with the non-existant (and even more highly publicised & more heavily populated) 60 home run club and 70 home run club, both of which are simply treated as subsets of 50 home run club (itself a list article, and a featured one, only serving to reinforce that we should be judging this on these terms and with these P&Gs). Buttons to Push Buttons (talk | contribs) 11:25, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support, per Buttons to Push Buttons etc, a club needs members. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 11:41, 7 March 2026 (UTC)
• Support agree w/ isaacl. Rgrds. --BX (talk) 21:56, 18 March 2026 (UTC)

  While ordinary true, this is a tremendous event which received a large amount of media attention, nationally and internationally. The nature of this event requires its own article. While 60 and 70 home runs are impressive, they do not have anywhere near as much coverage. Ohtani is an international star, meaning this is relevant to the world, while 60 and 70 home runs relate only to Americans. This is so monumental of an event that it should have its own article, even though it has less than 4. Again as prior mentioned, WP:Notability deems this article worthy. Dafootballguy (talk) 01:53, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

  None of the sources currently in the article are about the 50–50 club (baseball) in general though, they're all about Ohtani, mentioning "look what he just did!" That is the only thing to say about it, it has no history, membership plural, etc. This thing should be mentioned on WP, sure, but it doesn't make a reasonable WP-article in itself atm. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 06:09, 19 March 2026 (UTC)

Reasons against merger

There is a large possibility of another 50-50 season occurring eventually. In addition the page will be expanded soon, as I am a bit occupied at the moment. I will expand it soon. Finally, the article was from 40-40 season and it was decided to move it to a separate article. Dafootballguy (talk) 18:30, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

You could just reply in the thread that was already started, that's what it's for. Gråbergs Gråa Sång (talk) 19:07, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

The device I was on didn't allow for that, I have switched now. Sorry for the inconvenience, happy editing. Dafootballguy (talk) 19:16, 22 January 2026 (UTC)

Two key issues:

• There is a large possibility of another 50-50 season occurring eventually – see WP:CRYSTAL for more, but basically, it's not our job to predict what may happen. Unless something very obvious is about to happen (e.g., when an award ceremony is going to announce winners soon), we should only assess what currently exists.
• it was decided to move it to a separate article – I don't see evidence of that. If anything, Talk:40–40 club#Dealing with 50-50 heavily leans against splitting out this page. The closest thing to "support" for the split is when you asked what should be done with information at 40–40 club after you unilaterally made this page; there was no discussion that led to the split, so it's fair to have that discussion now.

— RunningTiger123 (talk) 01:41, 23 January 2026 (UTC)

You are bringing up fair points, however this is a notable event, even stand-alone, and therefore deserves its own article. Dafootballguy (talk) 02:22, 23 January 2026 (UTC)