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Framing of the opening sentence.

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Calling Diyarbakır a Kurdish city in the first sentence gives a false impression of ethnic exclusivity and political status. Diyarbakır is a multi-ethnic Turkish city with a large Kurdish population.

It perhaps can be changed to: Diyarbakır is a major city in southeastern Turkey with a significant Kurdish population. There shouldn't be narrative warfare on Wikipedia from either side. Felicienx (talk) 10:44, 19 July 2025 (UTC)

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 29 December 2025

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Template:Edit extended-protected Change ' Diyarbakır is the largest Kurdish-majority city in Turkey.[1] It is the administrative center of Diyarbakır Province. ' to 'Diyarbakır (Kurdish: Amed,[2] Zaza: Diyarbekir,[3] Assyrian Neo-Aramaic: Amedi or Amedu,[4] Armenian: Տիգրանակերտ, Tigranakert;[5] Syriac: ܐܡܝܕ, romanized: Āmīd[6])

  1. Bois, Th; Minorsky, V.; MacKenzie, D. N. (2012-04-24). "Kurds, Kurdistān". Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition.
  2. Avcýkýran, Dr. Adem (ed.). "Kürtçe Anamnez, Anamneza bi Kurmancî" (PDF). Tirsik. p. 55. Archived from the original (PDF) on 27 January 2020. Retrieved 17 December 2019.
  3. Zazaca -Türkçe Sözlük, R. Hayıg-B. Werner
  4. Bryce, Trevor (2009) The Routledge Handbook of the Peoples and Places of Ancient Western Asia p. 38
  5. Western Armenian pronunciation: Dikranagerd; Hovannisian, Richard G. (2006). Armenian Tigranakert/Diarbekir and Edessa/Urfa. Costa Mesa, California: Mazda Publishers. p. 2. ISBN 978-1-56859-153-7. The city that later generations of Armenians would call Dikranagerd was actually ancient Amid or Amida (now Diyarbekir or Diyarbakır), a great walled city with seventy-two towers...
  6. "J. Payne Smith (Mrs. Margoliouth), A Compendious Syriac Dictionary (Oxford: The Clarendon Press, 1903) p. 19 [from sedra.bethmardutho.org, tagged by George A. Kiraz, accessed on May. 20, 2020]".

is the largest Kurdish-majority city in Turkey.[1] It is the administrative center of Diyarbakır Province. ' SelfishSalamander (talk) 20:50, 29 December 2025 (UTC)

This looks fine to me, but just to be sure I'm not missing anything (because there's a lot of various small elements involved): you basically want to add those citations to the non-English names in the current footnote as well as adding the Assyrian name among them? Just confirm to me that's your intention and then I'll go ahead and add this. Thanks, R Prazeres (talk) 21:55, 29 December 2025 (UTC)
correct SelfishSalamander (talk) 03:13, 3 January 2026 (UTC)
 Done Great, done, and thanks. I've made some minor adjustments purely for citation formatting.
I have one follow-up request: could you provide more details for the source you cited for the Zaza pronounciation? You wrote "Zazaca -Türkçe Sözlük, R. Hayıg-B. Werner", but it's not clear if this is a book, a web source, if there's a specific page, etc. Anything you can provide to narrow it down would help; if there's a link to a record of it somewhere, an ISBN, or a citation of it in another book, that might be enough for me to fill in most details. Cheers, R Prazeres (talk) 01:33, 4 January 2026 (UTC)
the Zaza pronounciation was a mistake, you can remove it SelfishSalamander (talk) 00:48, 20 February 2026 (UTC)
and say Kurdish and Zaza instead of Kurdish for the name SelfishSalamander (talk) 00:49, 20 February 2026 (UTC)

References

  1. Bois, Th; Minorsky, V.; MacKenzie, D. N. (2012-04-24). "Kurds, Kurdistān". Encyclopaedia of Islam, Second Edition.

Extended-confirmed-protected edit request on 20 January 2026

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Template:Edit extended-protected Change de facto to de jure. De facto would imply that there is a Kurdish state with effective control over Diyarbakır which uses it as its capital. This is not the case. ~2026-43926-5 (talk) 20:47, 20 January 2026 (UTC)

 Not done: No, that is what de jure would imply. De facto here simply means that Diyarbakır functions as the capital of Kurdistan in reality, even though it has no legal status as such (as Kurdistan itself has no legal status as a state). Day Creature (talk) 22:38, 20 January 2026 (UTC)
Then it shouldn't be said to be a capital at all, since it neither functions as its capital in reality nor does it have any legal status. ~2026-43926-5 (talk) 16:38, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
The cited New York Times source describes it as the informal Kurdish capital. I wouldn't be opposed to changing "de facto" to "informal" to match the wording used by the source. Day Creature (talk) 17:13, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
Yeah I think that's better.
Also, I'm a bit new to this section of Wikipedia, on the top right of this post it says I should set the |answered= parameter to no to reactivate the request. Is it something I have to do for you to be able to edit the page? ~2026-43926-5 (talk) 18:51, 21 January 2026 (UTC)
OK, I've changed it to "informal capital". No need to reactivate the request. Day Creature (talk) 20:56, 21 January 2026 (UTC)

Proposed merger of Diyarbakır Province

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It is apparent that both the city and the province are the same, single local government entity. Diyarbakır is among the metropolitan municipalities in Turkey. İstanbul Province was merged with İstanbul not a long time ago, see Talk:Istanbul/Archive 10#Proposed merge with Istanbul Province. This is the same case as the 6 cities of Vietnam, which are essentially provinces (not true cities). As one proof, the "city proper" population of this "city" is the same as the population of the province. JWilz12345 (Talk|Contrib's.) 10:30, 8 March 2026 (UTC)

Support per nom. The article for the "city" covers a lot of material that is not limited to the city itself but the whole province. There is no meaningful distinction between the scopes of the two articles. Merging them is the best solution. TheJoyfulTentmaker (talk) 07:22, 9 March 2026 (UTC)